Nissan ProPilot 2.0 Is A Lot Like Tesla Autopilot, With One Key Difference

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Published on May 26th, 2019 |

by Steve Hanley

Nissan ProPilot 2.0 Is A Lot Like Tesla Autopilot, With One Key Difference

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Next fall, Nissan will begin offering cars for sale in the Japanese market that include its new ProPilot 2.0 semi-autonomous driving technology. As CNN reports, ProPilot 2.0 will let drivers traveling on limited access highways to take their hands completely off the steering wheel as long as the car remains in the same lane.

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It will also allow for lane change maneuvers and will help guide the car through highway junctions when following a preset route with a hand on the wheel. The system alerts the driver to place a hand on the wheel whenever the car needs to depart from the travel lane it is in.

As the graphic above illustrates, the sensors for ProPilot 2.0 include an array of cameras, radar, and ultrasonic sensors. It clearly resembles graphics we are familiar with that illustrate how Tesla’s Autopilot system works (below).

How does Nissan allow drivers to take their hands of the wheel for significant periods of time when Tesla does not (Tesla notifies you after 15 seconds)? The key difference is the Nissan system includes a camera that monitors the driver’s eyes to make sure she or he is paying attention to the road ahead. For Nissan, the critical piece is whether the driver is monitoring the road visually, not whether a hand is placed on the steering wheel.

50 years ago, early cruise control systems allowed drivers to remove their foot from the gas pedal while driving long distances. Now, Nissan makes it possible for drivers to take their hands off the steering wheel for significant periods of time as well. The important metric in both cases is watching the road. No reading the newspaper or having sex in the back seat. Unless and until full Level 5 autonomous systems are offered, the driver must remain actively engaged in the driving process at all times.

Cadillac also monitors the driver’s eye as part of its new Super Cruise package and it is that ability that led Consumer Reports to rate Super Cruise as the best semi-autonomous system available today.

Jake Fisher, CR’s director of auto testing, calls that kind of driver monitoring “a game changer in terms of safety for these sorts of systems.” Monitoring the eyes of the driver is something Tesla, with is mastery of camera technology, could easily do but has declined to include in its Autopilot system.

Current systems like ProPilot and ProPilot Assist from Nissan are little more than adaptive cruise control and lane-centering systems. ProPilot 2.0 will be a significant step forward. Nissan has offered no information on when, or if, this latest technology will be available on cars sold outside Japan.

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Tesla Successful In Buying Maxwell Technologies

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Published on May 16th, 2019 |

by Maarten Vinkhuyzen

Tesla Successful In Buying Maxwell Technologies

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The news of the day is that Tesla bought around 79% of Maxwell’s shares on May the 15th, 2019, after the acquisition offer was extended twice. The original proposal was from February 4th, 2019, and was discussed well by our authors in “Tesla Inks Deal To Acquire Maxwell Technologies In Stock Deal” and “The Ultracapacitors, Electrodes, & Battery Manufacturing Tech Tesla Gets With Maxwell Technologies.”

To make it clear that this is a 100% merger, the stock not offered is converted to a right to get Tesla shares and cash on the same conditions as the shares offered and accepted in the acquisition. They are not shares any more — they are essentially IOUs.

It is a short but very important announcement. Now let’s look a bit more closely at what Tesla bought.

Maxwell Technologies.
Maxwell Technology was a company specialized in high-quality supercapacitors. A supercapacitor is a kind of electricity storage device that can charge and discharge very fast and many thousands of times without any wear and tear. But the density of energy is very low, making supercapacitors unusable as permanent storage. It has been speculated, though, that use of supercapacitors could enable better storage and reuse of braking energy, making EV’s better track cars.

Perhaps, but that is not what made Maxwell a target for Tesla. Maxwell developed a way to improve battery production. The company’s own estimate was that, in time, Maxwell could grow to a many-billion-dollar company, multiplying their stock value at least tenfold and perhaps a hundredfold. If only they could bring the patents to production. An excellent description of the technology is in an article by Randy Carlson, “Tesla and Maxwell: Assessing the deal.”

To become so valuable, you need customers for your batteries and/or other battery companies willing to use your technology for a fee. Alas, only Tesla was a little bit interested. Tesla and Panasonic can likely realize the billions in saving on battery production that Maxwell predicted. Others?

This would give Tesla, currently having already the lowest cost batteries, an unassailable advantage over the competition for the coming years. The questions are how fast this can be incorporated into the Panasonic processes at GF1, and how big the savings will really be.

For the time being, Maxwell will continue with its business all over the world. Too many employees and customers and contracts to do anything else.

What the future will bring we can only guess. I would not be surprised if the capacitor business gets a management buyout after the battery technology is transferred to Tesla.

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Maarten Vinkhuyzen Grumpy old man. The best thing I did with my life was raising two kids. Only finished primary education, but when you don’t go to school, you have lots of time to read. I switched from accounting to software development and ended my career as system integrator and architect. My 2007 boss got two electric Lotus Elise cars to show policymakers the future direction of energy and transportation. And I have been looking to replace my diesel cars with electric vehicles ever since.

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Published on May 16th, 2019 |

by Dr. Maximilian Holland

Tesla’s Acquisition of Maxwell Technologies — More Thoughts & Information

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Tesla today announced the completion of its acquisition of the battery and supercapacitor company Maxwell Technologies. This has been on the cards since early February and is in line with the recent timeline given in Tesla’s Q1 investor call. Maxwell’s battery dry electrode manufacturing process has already been piloted by Tesla, and will allow significant battery cost reductions and energy density improvements.

Tesla has made the acquisition via a stock-swap, which approximates to a value of $230 million, for a controlling stake of 79% of Maxwell.

Tesla’s current cell costs of around $100/kWh amount to approximately $3.5 billion in battery production costs per year (around 70 kWh per vehicle and 500,000 vehicles). Maxwell’s dry battery electrode manufacturing technology claims to allow a 10–20% cost reduction versus traditional wet-electrode manufacturing techniques.

It’s not clear at this stage what overall reduction this 10–20% gives to the entire cell manufacturing process. Given Tesla’s $3.5 billion annual cell costs, even an overall cost reduction on the order of 5% would mean that the acquisition pays for itself over just a couple of years, and thereafter will be all upside.

Time savings and environmental benefits are also significant potential gains, as well as a plethora of other performance benefits that Maxwell has hinted at and Tesla is no doubt interested in. These include energy density of 300 Wh/kg with a path to 500 Wh/kg. Tesla is currently running somewhere around 250+ Wh/kg.

It’s not clear whether Tesla will find a use for Maxwell’s supercapacitor technology. We’ve previously speculated that there may or may not be use cases that leverage this. Alternatively, Tesla might leave the existing supercapacitor business undisturbed, or ultimately sell that side of the business.

We’re keen to learn more about the Maxwell Technologies acquisition, and what it means for Tesla. We will bring you more updates when we have them.

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Dr. Maximilian Holland Max is an anthropologist, social theorist and international political economist, trying to ask questions and encourage critical thinking about social and environmental justice, sustainability and the human condition. He has lived and worked in Europe and Asia, and is currently based in Barcelona.

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Tesla’s Trouble With Semi Trucks & Another Shakeup Of The Autopilot Team — Is There A Connection?

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Published on May 21st, 2019 |

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Tesla’s Trouble With Semi Trucks & Another Shakeup Of The Autopilot Team — Is There A Connection?

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Editor’s note: Context is always worth keeping in mind. The following story is interesting and important, but in the grand scheme of traffic safety, one should consider not only the two deaths mentioned here, but also how many lives Tesla Autopilot has saved — which is likely a much higher number than two.

On March 1, Jeremy Banner was killed on a Florida highway when his Tesla Model 3 slammed into a tractor trailer that was crossing the road. The National Transportation Safely Board sent a team of investigators to find out more about the crash. Last week, it released this preliminary report.

Credit: NTSB

“Preliminary data from the vehicle show that the Tesla’s Autopilot system — an advanced driver assistance system (ADAS) that provides both longitudinal and lateral control over vehicle motion — was active at the time of the crash. The driver engaged the Autopilot about 10 seconds before the collision. From less than 8 seconds before the crash to the time of impact, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the steering wheel. Neither the preliminary data nor the videos indicate that the driver or the ADAS executed evasive maneuvers.”

The circumstances surrounding this fatality and the crash that killed Joshua Brown when his Tesla Model S also collided with a tractor trailer crossing a Florida highway three years ago are troubling. Why does Tesla’s vaunted Autopilot system have such difficulty recognizing an 18 wheeler crossing the road in front of it?

The Verge reports that a spokesperson for Tesla phrased what happened slightly differently. Instead of saying “the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the steering wheel,” that person said, “the driver immediately removed his hands from the wheel.” Tesla did not respond to a request from The Verge to explain what action it plans to take to address the problem of a semi truck crossing a car’s line of travel.

Why Can’t Computers Think Like Humans?
The issue is the same for all self-driving cars — how do you make them behave like human drivers when that should be the minimum (and better than humans at other times)? People in Phoenix report that they are sick to death of Waymo’s self-driving cars faltering at intersections, unsure what to do. Because they have been programmed to err on the side of caution at all times, they wait an inordinate amount of time at stop signs, checking to make sure there is a clear path ahead before moving forward. Drivers waiting behind get exasperated and start blowing their horns or zoom around the obstructionist vehicles, creating unsafe traffic situations for others. It’s kind of silly to blow your horn at a computer that has no auditory input, but there you are.

It’s not that the Tesla Autopilot system doesn’t see trucks crossing in front. The issue is that it has been programmed to ignore them. As we drive down the road, our brain easily distinguishes between a tractor trailer and an overpass, but that is difficult for a computer to do. If it decides to slam on the brakes every time it approaches a highway overpass, that’s not good. To a computer, a truck trailer and a highway overpass look too similar, so the program tells it to ignore both, with predictable results.

Raj Rajkumar, an electrical and computer engineering professor at Carnegie Mellon University, has some insight into this this situation. Other than Tesla itself, Carnegie Mellon is ground zero for autonomous driving development in the world. He tells The Verge that in most road situations, there are vehicles to the front, back, and to the side, but a perpendicular vehicle is much less common. The algorithms using the camera output need to be trained to detect trucks that are perpendicular to the direction of the vehicle.

“Essentially, the same incident repeats after three years,” Rajkumar says. “This seems to indicate that these two problems have still not been addressed.” Machine learning and artificial intelligence have inherent limitations, he explains. If sensors “see” what they have never or seldom seen before, they do not know how to handle those situations. “Tesla is not handling the well-known limitations of AI,” he added.

Some Input From The Real World
Twitter user GreenTheOnly has some interesting input on this situation which he posted on March 13, nearly two weeks after Jeremy Banner died.

He reports his Tesla is running firmware version 19.8.1, and 25 seconds of video show the truck crossing his path and what happened afterwards — available in a subsequent tweet.

Driver Overconfidence
In the past, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has blamed crashes involving Autopilot on driver overconfidence. “When there is a serious accident it is almost always, in fact maybe always, the case that it is an experienced user, and the issue is more one of complacency,” he said last year.

That may be true of the current generation of Autopilot-equipped cars but it is not nearly good enough for the level of autonomy Musk boasted about during the recent Autonomy Day event when he said every Tesla equipped with the latest-generation autonomous driving hardware and the company’s new self-driving computer would be able to operate with almost no input from a human driver soon. “A year from now, we’ll have over a million cars with Full Self Driving computer, hardware, everything.”

He went on to say, “We expect to be feature complete in self driving this year, and we expect to be confident enough from our standpoint to say that we think people do not need to touch the wheel and can look out the window sometime probably around … in the second quarter of next year. And we expect to get regulatory approval, at least in some jurisdictions, for that towards the end of next year. That’s roughly the timeline that I expect things to go on.”

Skeptics Abound
There are plenty of skeptics. Writing in Forbes, Lance Eliot, a recognized authority in artificial intelligence and self-driving cars, says, “To some, it would be like running a marathon, which the best in the world can do in about 2 hours, and suddenly suggesting that you’ll be at the finish line in just thirty minutes, somehow skirting past all known laws of nature and physics. It’s a jaw dropping kind of declaration, especially if there isn’t any substantive evidence showcased to support a potential world-record-breaking projected achievement. At this point, it’s a wait-and-see status.”

The issue for Tesla and all self-driving systems is one of false positives. Radar outputs of detected objects are sometimes ignored by the vehicle’s software to deal with the generation of “false positives,” said Raj Rajkumar, an electrical and computer engineering professor at Carnegie Mellon University. Without these, the radar would “see” an overpass and report that as an obstacle, causing the vehicle to slam on the brakes.

On the computer vision side of the equation, the algorithms using the camera output need to be trained to detect trucks that are perpendicular to the direction of the vehicle, he added. In most road situations, there are vehicles to the front, back, and to the side, but a perpendicular vehicle is much less common.

“Essentially, the same incident repeats after three years,” Rajkumar said. “This seems to indicate that these two problems have still not been addressed.” Machine learning and artificial intelligence have inherent limitations. If sensors “see” what they have never or seldom seen before, they do not know how to handle those situations. “Tesla is not handling the well-known limitations of AI,” he added.

Autopilot Team Reshuffle?
We may never find out whether the death of Jeremy Banner is in any way connected to rumors on Reddit that Elon is reshuffling the Autopilot team and personally taking over its management. (Note: he has already led a weekly Autopilot team meeting for a few years.)

Remember what happened after the Joshua Brown fatality. Within months, Tesla and Mobileye went through a messy divorce, and Tesla had to spend a good chunk of time building its own Mobileye-like system. In this latest case, what will the ramifications be for Tesla, and the world?

Fatalities & Robotaxis
No firm conclusions can be drawn at this point, except to say that the final report from NTSB could put a crimp in Musk’s promise that Tesla robotaxis could make it into a $500 billion company in a few years. If regulators get cold feet about approving the use of self-driving Teslas for revenue service, that aspect of Musk’s long-term plans may get put on hold indefinitely.

Make no mistakes — the long knives are out and ready to stab Tesla in the back if the opportunity presents itself. With Tesla continuously leading it, the EV revolution could be set back years or even decades, especially in the US where fossil fuel interests with unlimited resources control the federal government and many states. We know one key component of any plan to reduce carbon emissions is to electrify everything, starting with the transportation sector. It is important, in my opinion, that the desire for self-driving cars not delay that process.

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Published on May 6th, 2019 |

by Kyle Field

Tesla Begins Shipping Parts To Nearest Service Center When Vehicle Fault Is Detected

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Tesla’s Vehicles Self-Diagnose Then Self-Medicate When Faults Are Detected
Tesla will now start shipping any required parts to the nearest Service Center when the vehicle detects a fault, according to a tweet from the company earlier today.

Tesla has defied the norms and pains of many service center visits with its over-the-air diagnostic capabilities, but this takes that to the next level by eliminating the next barrier to getting the issue fixed. When an issue is detected by the in-car diagnostic system, a popup message appears in the car notifying the owner of the issue and requesting that they make an appointment at the nearest Tesla Service Center.

An unexpected condition has been detected with the Power Conversion System on your Model 3 & replacement part has been pre-shipped to your preferred Tesla Service Center. Please use your Tesla Mobile App or your Tesla Account to schedule a service visit appointment now.

Improving Service for owners continues to be a focal point for Tesla CEO Elon Musk as the number of Teslas roaming the roads of the world continues to grow at an exponential rate. Enabling vehicles to both self diagnose and to order any required parts gives Tesla that much more of an advantage in getting a jump on finding and shipping the parts needed for a repair.

Parts supply is an area that the company has historically, and to this day, continues to struggle with. Stories of owners waiting not just weeks, but upwards of nearly 6 months in some cases, for the required parts to arrive litter the internet. Seeing a story here and a story there about the issue makes it hard to put the scale of the problem into context, but there is enough evidence to make it clear that parts supply continues to be an opportunity for the company.

The new functionality is an impressive step towards the future that will require vehicles to be more self-aware as Tesla ramps up its preparations for its fully autonomous Tesla Network of robotaxis. These vehicles will need to know when they need service and be able to not only get the parts ordered, but also schedule their own service appointments without owner intervention.

In related news, Tesla’s twitter account has been given new life in the last few days, with a new bite of personality and responsiveness that has many wondering if the Securities and Exchange Commission’s restrictions on Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s tweets simply pushed him to use the company’s official Twitter account for his snide, snarky, insightful, playful tweets and replies. Oh, SEC, when will you learn? Don’t mess with the genius in the corner. Just leave him alone with his toys so he can get back to transforming the world for the better.

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Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron

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Correcting Audi: Tesla Model 3 Charges Over 2 Times Faster Than Audi e-tron

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The article was written by Simon Barke and Myles Clark. They each hold a PhD in physics, work for an international space mission at the University of Florida, and understand scientific data quite well.

Matthew Mostafaei, Audi’s manager for e-tron, presented data taken from Twitter during the New York Auto Show without naming the source. (That’s plagiarism.) The data was misrepresented by plotting it on a different axis. (That’s a falsification.) He then used the data to show the e-tron’s charging superiority over the Model 3, when it actually proves the opposite. (That’s deception.) You may call this good marketing. I call it a brazen lie. At best, it is a highly misleading accident.

A chart presented by Audi’s manager for e-tron and connected vehicles in the US, Matthew Mostafaei, made the rounds this week. During a New York International Auto Show presentation, he pointed out how much longer Audi’s new all-electric “e-tron” SUV can sustain a 150 kW charge rate. The point of the chart: in many situations, the e-tron charges faster at a 150 kW charger than a Tesla at the upcoming 250 kW “Supercharger V3.” And the faster you charge, the quicker you arrive. Right? No, not quite…

There is a lot of confusion about electric vehicles. Different test cycles, range, state of charge, efficiency, charging power, and charging rate. This lack of general knowledge helps companies make unsubstantiated claims about their cars.

I got on the phone with Mark Dahncke (Director, Product/Technology/Motorsports Communications of Audi USA) about this. He confirmed the source of the data and admitted that Audi never contacted or credited the original author. He further regretted that Audi (accidentally) falsified the underlying data. Although he was now denying that the presented chart implies that the e-tron can charge faster, he was still defending Audi’s basic claim that a high charging power helps you reach your destination faster. Oversimplified statements like these are not only purposefully misleading. They also add to general EV confusion, which is bad for everyone.

Let’s set the record straight, try to understand what Audi did, and find out what the data really shows. Below is the slide Audi showed during the New York Auto Show presentation. The chart shows the charging power (20 to 250 kW) of different electric vehicles over battery state of charge (0 to 100%). The first indication that something is terribly fishy here is the fact that the unspecified Tesla at a third-generation Supercharger starts charging at negative 1%. (The black line and red arrow/text was added by me.)

Audi got the data from Twitter — and did not know how to read it.

When I confronted Audi with the charges of plagiarism, I was told they used an image published by Electrek. However, Electrek is not the author of the data and instead itself names the original Twitter source. It was published 2 months ago by user “@privater” on Twitter (“u/privaterbok” on Reddit).

On reddit here.

Audi’s mysterious charging profile is a perfect match. What is striking, however, is that the data posted on Twitter was plotted on a non-equidistant horizontal axis. Notice that 28%, 30%, 40%, and 44% are spaced by the same distance on the chart while being different by 2%, 10%, and 4%, respectively. Audi blatantly ignored that, simply copied and pasted the v3 trace onto its traditional, equidistant axis, and stretched it arbitrarily so that it somehow worked with the rest of Audi’s chart. The company never cared to check the underlying data. No wonder they got confused to the point that their version now starts with the car in a negative state of charge!

Luckily, u/privaterbok used Reddit to post the original data in a spreadsheet. I managed to create a corrected version of Audi’s chart that also includes a new charging profile for the upgraded 150 kW Tesla Supercharger V2.

It is important to note that the 250 kW Supercharger system is still in a testing phase and further improvements are likely. Both Tesla charging profiles do not include any automated battery preheating, which will increase charge powers at low charge states. So, the Tesla charging profiles shown here can be seen as conservative. Anyhow, now that we have corrected data to work with, we can answer the question of what this data is actually telling us.

In its current form, it is purposefully misleading. Don’t get me wrong — it is very impressive that the e-tron can sustain a higher charging power at a higher battery state of charge. But does this help you get anywhere faster? Not without the range and efficiency to back it up it won’t…

Charging power is not charging speed!
First of all, we have to adjust the horizontal axis. Who cares about battery percentage? The important information for the driver is how far they can go before they need to fill up. The battery of a low-range vehicle does not get me anywhere, no matter if it is fully charged or not. For the Audi, a 100% state of charge corresponds to 204 miles (EPA test cycle). The Tesla data Audi copied from Twitter was measured from a Model 3 Long Range, hence I will correctly use 325 miles for a 100% state of charge. The chart above highlights the 40 mile and 200 mile range equivalents for the e-tron and the Tesla, so we can rescale the traces accordingly and plot the charging power over electric vehicle range.

This version of the chart is slightly less misleading, but we still have another step before this is a real apples-to-apples comparison. That step is to take into account how fast the vehicles actually charge in units that are more relevant in the real world. For that, we need to adjust the vertical axis to reflect charging speed (charge rate in miles per hour). This metric not only depends on the charging power but also on the efficiency of the vehicle. The more efficient a vehicle is, the more range you add for any given charging power.

The Model 3 Long Range maxes out at a ludicrous 1000 miles per hour at 250 kW charging power. This translates to close to 600 miles per hour at the 150 kW level. If you do the math, these values include a roughly 8% loss (mainly due to heat). If we assume the same 8% loss for charging the e-tron, the picture looks very different. Audi’s entry in the electric vehicle market peaks at just above 300 miles of range added per hour at the charger due to its inferior efficiency: it needs to charge a much larger battery which provides significantly less range than the Model 3’s much smaller battery.

Finally, we can directly compare the speed at which the two cars can charge. The area below the charging profile is directly related to the time it takes to add drivable range to the car. As an example, I picked a realistic remaining range of 40 miles before we begin charging. We then charge both cars to 200 miles (since the Audi can’t get beyond 204 miles). You can see in the chart above in the highlighted area between 40 and 200 miles: the larger this area, the faster the charge process will be to add 160 miles of range. So, in reality, the Audi e-tron charges way slower than the Tesla Model 3 even at the older generation Supercharger.

How long does it take to add 160 miles of range?
@privater, the Twitter user who published the original data, also posted the charts for range vs time while charging.

From these charts, we know for certain that it took 15 minutes to charge from 40 to 200 miles on the third-generation Supercharger. This would translate to roughly 21 minutes when charging the same car at a V2 Supercharger. And the e-tron? Well, if our charge rate estimates are correct, it would take 36 minutes for the e-tron to add 160 miles of range.

Can this be true? Turns out, our estimate is spot on. User “Elbil24” published a video on YouTube charging the e-tron from 1% to 99% at a 175 kW rapid charger. For this charging session, it took exactly 36.7 minutes to charge from 20% to 98% (which corresponds to 160 miles on the EPA test cycle).

So let’s go back to Audi’s headline: “quick to charge = quick to arrive.” This is true, but Audi forgot to mention that the e-tron’s real-world charging is discouragingly slow.

Tl;dr
Here is what you should take away from this article: do not trust anything published by the Volkswagen Group. After all the coverups from the past few years, it comes as no surprise that Audi keeps deceiving the public with falsified data and twisted arguments. Some companies never learn. I just hope customers finally will.

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Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory Update — Unbelievable Progress Over A Single Month

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In the latest aerial flyover video of the Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory, the main roof structure is now essentially complete, the walls along the east side of the main structure are also complete, and the rest is rapidly being finished. The progress over the past month has been spectacular, as we can see when comparing images over that time period.

Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory images courtesy of 烏瓦 and Jason Wang (see article text for links)

The above shots (click to zoom), both looking from south to north along the length of the Gigafactory site, come from an April 5th video by 烏瓦 and a 7th May aerial video by Jason Yang. It is stunning to see the speed of construction progress over essentially just a single month, scarcely believable were it not for the evidence of our own senses.

As can be seen in Jason’s full video (below), whilst there remains some construction work to be done on two taller structures at the north and south ends of the factory, the central body of the structure is now basically complete. The main roof is effectively in place (roof workers can be seen in the video, finishing up the last remaining small patches), the main east side wall is up (visible in the above shot), and the west side wall is near to completion.

It’s an amazing transformation from the build state just one month ago, when the structure was still in the early phases and the first few roof panels were just starting to be laid down.

Recall that the goal is to have the factory in a ready state to start pilot production runs sometime in September, with volume production beginning in the 4th quarter:

“It looks like we’ll reach volume production at the end of this year with, let’s say, more than 1,000 cars a week, maybe 2,000 from Shanghai Giga at the end of this year. That’s what it looks like to be the case right now. If it’s not at the end, it will be shortly thereafter.” Elon Musk, Q1 2019 Tesla earnings call

For those of you who want to marvel at what can be achieved over just a month, remind yourself of what the site looked like on 5th April, from the video by烏瓦 …

… and then watch Jason Yang’s latest video, dated 7th May:

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By Benoît Michel

Everyone of sound mind supports actions to limit the impact of climate change. There are lots of practices we can do to improve our climate: sort our trash, cut down on our use of plastic, install photovoltaic panels, drive electric cars… and what else?

As electric vehicle owners, fans, and devotees, you can do something very simple that, frankly, is not done enough: you can spread the word. Taking action to convince your neighbors to switch from economy class to the cockpit and take the controls to give Planet Earth 2019 a better chance of avoiding turbulence. As CleanTechnica has repeated countless times, everything on earth should be converted to electricity, and electricity has to be generated from renewable sources and fed into a globally interconnected “super grid.” The ambitious goal of making power generation 100% carbon-free by 2050 is within reach and converting the global automobile fleet to electricity is an important part of the solution. You can help.

History of an EV Enthusiast
The electric car’s ease of use and lack of polluting exhaust originally encouraged my interest in EVs in the 1970s, when nobody was worrying about the climate. I was an automotive engineering student when I first caught the EV bug. In those days without Internet and smartphones, the only way you could drive an electric car was to build one yourself. So I did!

The author‘s home-made EV, from the author’s archive

The lack of components made the project fun as well as complicated. Having to use a forklift motor and lead batteries did not make things too exciting. However, given the rarity of electric cars in the 20th century, I managed to show mine to a large audience and may even have convinced some of the “innovators-” those who populate the lower left-hand corner of the EV adoption S-curve – seen below.

The EV adoption S-Curve, from author’s site)

John Goodenough invented the lithium-ion battery in 1980, but it took another twenty years for its price to fall to the point where it could be used in small appliances such as cell phones, and thirty years to become cheap enough to make it the energy storage solution of choice for cars. So, after my initial experiments, I had to wait decades to be able to buy an electric car worthy of the name. With all the EV owners currently scattered across the planet, we have gotten the S-curve to lift off – I would suggest that we’re now in the “early adopters” phase!

As we have long been convinced that EVs are part of the climate change, how can we help boost the curve’s slope and enter the “early majority” phase? A simple method within everyone’s reach exists – again, we need to continually spread the word.

Seize every Opportunity for EV Awareness
Family gatherings, school parties, concerts, exhibitions, and football and basketball matches offer tons of opportunities to discuss the pros and cons of electric vehicles. The first step is to correct the most widespread misconceptions. So, more than a third of the population doesn’t know that an EV has no gearbox and recharges its batteries when the brakes are applied or it goes downhill!

And roughly one out of two people doesn’t know that you charge the batteries at home at night, using a simple outlet (for more on this, see Carolyn Fortuna’s writings. Yet CleanTechnica’s readers know that this last advantage is actually one of the brightest sides of EV ownership. Morever, people seem confused when it comes to car manufacturers, the models, and the cost of current and future EVs.

I think the best way to win over the skeptics is to discuss the advantages of living with an electric car: silence and simplicity, instant acceleration, low cost of ownership, no more filling up at the pump, and so much more. And that you will not die of carbon monoxide inhalation should you leave the garage door shut.

If you’re talking to a car buff, garage mechanic, or engineer, you can talk about how there’s no clutch, gearbox, oil, or muffler. The electric car is so simple that servicing boils down to changing the tires and topping up the windshield wash. Even better, the EV’s lifespan is at least twice that of an ICE car.

When I wrote my book, The Electric Car: Here and Now, I assembled the most frequently asked questions and their answers: “It is too expensive!” “It is not really available.” “The ranges are too limited.” “Charging takes much too long.” “It does nothing to mitigate global warming.” “It’s full of rare earths and expensive metals.” “It relies on outrageous subsidies!” and the popular “Where will all the electricity come from?” I am pretty sure you already have answers ready for most of those arguments, but I included a compilation of these Q&As in the last chapter.

The world will be better after the burial; image from The Electric Car, Here and Now,

Win them over with Experience: Go for a Ride

Talking is great; strutting one’s stuff is even better. Whether your interlocutor is almost convinced or highly skeptical of EVs, suggest taking a little spin in your electric car. Ten minutes will suffice to show her/him everything you’ve explained, and the memory of the experience will never die!

If you belong to a group of EV owners, why not organize mini “Discover Electric Cars” events such as those held by DriveElectricWeek since 2014 – or join me: I am organizing one in September with friends in Belgium.

If we are good at spreading the word, the last laggards may hop on the electric wagon by 2030!

After serving up the same arguments dozens of times during countless discussions, I discovered that a great way to spread the word to lots of people in record time was to put everything in a book. That is why I wrote my book, The Electric Car: Here and Now– now available on Amazon. In clear, everyday language, it sums up all the controversies and pros and cons that are heard most often, and answers some questions that EV owners are always asked:

Life with an EV must be weird, isn’t it?
How does it work?
There’s Tesla and the other brands. Which should I choose?
Should we wait for hydrogen fuel cells?
And what about autonomous cars…? And more!

About the Author: Benoît Michel is an electromechanical engineer. Upon graduating he built an electric car and various electric motor prototypes, and then a low-energy house well before “low energy” was in vogue. He is an expert working for the European Commission and for PILAB (Pixel and Interaction Laboratory) at UCLouvain. He co-founded the ”Vent d’ici” association promoting renewable energies in Belgium. Through his lectures and numerous technical writings, this proponent of popular science shares his passion for new technologies, cars, and energy problems with laypeople the world over on his website and with his new book, available on Amazon. He is organizing a Drive Electric Week event in September 2019 in Belgium.

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Tesla Insurance: Information Arbitrage To Save You Money

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Tesla Insurance will increase customer satisfaction
I recently went through the pain of looking for auto insurance for my new Tesla Model 3 Long Range. Some auto insurance companies are more sophisticated than others. Others … need some work. Some of the insurance sites I visited could not identify my Tesla VIN. One company said they would call me back. Another company that had an app for my phone would give me a quote in three weeks. One insurer thought our Tesla was a gas car. Facepalm.

Example A: Large, unnamed auto insurer thinks the Model 3 is a 4 door sedan running on gas.

Disclosure: I worked at several insurance companies for several years.

Consider two situations: One is a great customer experience for Tesla. The other is somewhere between bad and good, depending on the individual.

Imagine the following: You are ready to order your beautiful Tesla on your phone. You are super excited. You can’t wait to drive it and show it off. Before you place the order, you realize you need insurance before delivery. Magically, Tesla asks you if you want Tesla Insurance on your new vehicle. You add the insurance and you are all set! Painless! You are extremely satisfied with the ease of buying the car plus insurance. You look forward to delivery.

Contrast that with this situation below, which is not so pleasant. (Please note there is some exaggeration.)

Imagine the following: You are ready to order your beautiful Tesla on your phone. You are super excited. You can’t wait to drive it and show it off. You place the order. Then, horror of horrors — you need to find auto insurance before delivery. Yuck!

Panic ensues. How much will it be? Is it going to be super expensive? Do I need to visit a dozen sites to get the best insurance cost? Should you call that weird uncle of yours who knows the best deals in dark alleys with shady characters for everyone and everything? Suddenly, the purchase of your new Tesla got dimmed quite a bit.

Insurance companies can’t individually rate your driving characteristics. Instead, they bucket your experience and characteristics into similar “groups.” These groups are rated, usually by applying one multiplicative rating factor with another. Common groups include your age, when you first got your license, if you are married or single, if you own a home, your credit rating, your accident history, and anything else they ask for when you apply for auto insurance.

Sophisticated insurers use generalized linear models — think of y = a+ bx (instead of a and b being fixed, they can change based on your characteristics). Then expand that to y = a + b1x1 + b2x2 + b3x3 etc. (Linear algebra is very important here.) Even more sophisticated insurers are probably implementing or experimenting with Machine Learning and Big Data analysis.

Buying your insurance when you purchase the car will draw more people to Tesla. It saves you time, effort, frustration, and inconvenience.

Tesla knows how you drive better than you do
On Tesla’s Q1 2019 earnings call, Elon announced Tesla is creating its own insurance product. The company expects to launch it in about a month.

How could Tesla launch an insurance product without having any insurance experience? Very easily. They will have detailed information on how you drive your Tesla, better than an insurance company would. They also know their customers. Most people buying a Tesla probably have excellent credit. Excellent credit is a key factor determining your insurance costs.

“Your insurance score is based in large part on your overall credit rating.”

Last, Tesla knows the inherent safety of its vehicles. Safer vehicles mean reduced chances of having an accident, less chance of getting injured, and less chance of injuring someone else. New Teslas have a suite of cameras, radar, and sensors to keep you and others safe. They are moving towards Full Self Driving (FSD).

Obviously, Tesla would not classify your electric vehicle as a gas car. The company would be able to perform deeper classifications. In a word, it’s information arbitrage. I would define information arbitrage as one party having more knowledge about a situation than the other party in a contract. They use this “added” information to position themselves ahead of everyone else and generate profits from the opportunity. But this is not my term.

“Tesla has an ‘information arbitrage opportunity,’ Musk said. The company is able to capture driving data, giving the company direct knowledge of the risk profile of the driver and car. If customers want to buy Tesla insurance, they might have to agree to ‘not drive the car in a crazy way,’ said Musk, who added they can, they’ll just have a higher insurance rate.”

Tesla has the benefit of having Machine Learning expertise, continuously performing analysis on lots of Big Data, and to top it off, the company has an excellent neural networking team. The first two are keys skills for insurance companies, and the third includes skills the insurance companies wish they had. Tesla can take your vehicle information, anonymize it, group it together, perform statistical analysis, and figure out which combination of behaviors are safer or riskier. Use Autopilot more than 80% of your driving time? That could give you a discount. Drive the speed limit religiously? Could be another discount. Drive more highway miles than local? Discount! Take your Tesla and jump off cliffs? Penalty!

The beauty of this is Tesla only has to price the insurance at break even or a slight profit. It does not have to act as standalone insurers seeking profit as their primary source of income. This would cause a lot of havoc for auto insurance companies as Tesla’s fleet grows.

Now, with this in mind, Tesla Insurance saves you time, effort, frustration, inconvenience, and cost. It improves the customer experience.

Example B: Esurance, what’s going on with your rates? This is for an FSD model, which insurance companies don’t yet adequately rate.

What are some advantages Tesla has against insurance companies?
For a simpler format, I will list what I see as advantages for Tesla as an insurance company here.

Tesla creates the vehicles it will insure. These vehicles are some of the safest, if not the safest, on the road.
If a Tesla gets into an accident, occupants inside the Tesla are less likely to be injured. This reduces liability costs.
Features such as Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Navigate on Autopilot reduce the risk of rear ending someone (very common) or getting into an accident on the highway. This reduces insurance frequency and severity.
It is hard to steal a Tesla, reducing property damage costs.
Tesla software such as Sentry Mode and live camera recording can provide proof for theft, accidents, and who is at fault.
The Standard Range, Long Range, and Performance versions of the car are similar in body structure, allowing data to be grouped together if needed.
Tesla owns some body shops.
Tesla operates Mobile Ranger service.
Tesla has Machine Learning, Big Data, and neural net experience. It can leverage this experience to price the insurance.
Tesla gets detailed vehicle telemetry from each vehicle.
Tesla can supply the parts for repairs at cost and without markup.
Tesla already calls you within a few minutes if you are in a severe accident.
Tesla will give you a tow if you run out of charge.
Tesla can seek a nominal profit.
Due to all of the above, Tesla can undercut insurance companies on price.
Because of these inherent advantages Tesla can offer similar coverage for less, or offer more coverage for the same price versus competing insurance companies.
Bundling the purchase of insurance and purchase/lease of a Tesla together improves the customer experience greatly.

Many things that an insurance company offers, Tesla already does.

Detailed “Tesla Insurance” information
Below is some information recently found regarding Tesla Insurance Services. The link for the entire 4000+ page document can be found if you have the link to the actual insurance filing or visit the CA DOI’s headquarters. Source: Twitter. Thanks, Steve Jobs! (@tesla_truth)

Figure 1: Some states where Tesla already has set up Tesla Insurance Services. This includes MA, CA, NV, AL, NY, MT, OR, PA, VA, and TX.

Figure 2: Tesla’s rating algorithm filed with the California Department of Insurance.

Above, we see Tesla’s rating algorithm for Tesla Insurance Services. The base rate for each coverage is multiplied by the respective discount / surcharge. All the different coverages are added together for the final premium (Line 27).

Summary of coverage definitions
BI = Bodily Injury
PD = Property Damage
MED = Medical Payments
UM = Uninsured Motorist
COMP = Comprehensive
COLL = Collision
UMPD = Uninsured Motorist Property Damage
GAP = Gap Insurance
RR = Rental Reimbursement
RA = Roadside Assistance
CDB = Collision Deductible Buyback

What is most interesting is the Autonomous Vehicle Package on Line 28 (page 66)

AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE PROTECTION PACKAGE

Subject to all the terms, conditions and exclusions of the policy, we will provide the following coverages:

Autonomous Vehicle Owner Liability
Cyber Identity Fraud Expenses
Wall Charger Coverage
Electronic Key Replacement

We find out later that this coverage will be mandatory for Tesla drivers (page 868).

Vehicle Automation Package Endorsement
SNIC is proposing to add a Vehicle Automation Package endorsement that is mandatory for all Tesla vehicles, which includes:

Autonomous Vehicle Owner Liability
Cyber Identity Fraud Expense
Wall Charger Coverage
Electronic Key Replacement

On page 1772, we find the premiums for this coverage. It is not expensive at all.

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May 8th, 2019 by Maarten Vinkhuyzen

Today was another exiting day for the electric drive aficionados. Volkswagen presented its ID. sub-brand to the world, with the first model, the ID.3, ready for reservation. The times that VW was short for VaporWare are over.

My colleagues are covering everything there is to say about today’s announcement from a VW perspective. This article is about the impact on the competition.

Who are the competition? We have seen announcements from PSA about the Peugeot e-208 — and its siblings for the Opel, Citroen, and DS brands. We expect the Renault Zoe and Nissan Leaf to become mature with larger batteries and usable DC fast charging. In the upper regions of the market, the Jaguar I-PACE, Audi e-tron, Mercedes-Benz EQC, Polestar 2, and Porsche Taycan are all trying to get a piece, and the 900 pound gorilla out of Fremont, California, is extending its market to the rest of the world.

What the competition is not doing (yet) is launching a big marketing campaign. This afternoon’s presentation will be a big news item on the evening news in much of Europe, followed by repeated segments on all the mobility and auto shows on television and numerous articles in the car segments of major newspapers and in auto magazines.

What VW is doing with this introduction of its ID. sub-brand is giving electric cars a seal of approval that no other carmaker has provided. It is not that VW has something new for a few enthusiasts (most of you reading this). However, VW is saying that electric vehicles will replace their fossil fuel models in the coming years, likely in the next decade, and transfers the story we enthusiasts know so well to the broader public. VW is clearly all-in, which means a lot more to the average Joe (or Jürgen) than Tesla predicting the industry will go electric. It also means a lot to all of VW’s conventional auto industry colleagues.

Thank You, VW
The impact on the competition can go two ways in the eyes of many critics and followers. Those who see the electric car space as a limited space will argue that VW will push the competition to the margins. VW will crush the ambitions of PSA, Renault, Nissan, and most of all Tesla, according to these people. The competition is here — go home, Tesla. No doubt Seeking Alpha and Wall Street will see this as another sign of the coming demise of the upstart from California.

The market researchers who see the auto market as one market where all powertrains are competing for a bigger slice think differently. The battery electric powertrain is still mostly unknown and misunderstood. The biggest problem is still convincing customers that fully electric cars are real cars, better cars. Able to do everything one expects from a normal car, but better.

This media campaign by VW will not only sell a lot of ID.3 cars all over Europe. It will also sell a lot of Leafs, Zoes, e-208s, i3s, Konas, Niros, and most of all, very many Tesla Model 3s. It is the perfect example of a rising tide lifting all ships.

The competition in the luxury segment from Jaguar, Audi, Mercedes, and Porsche is mostly sold out for over 12 months. Some have stopped taking new orders. It will be frustrating for automakers to see this tide wash away fossil fuel sales without having the capacity to profit with their own new electric offerings. The interest VW is generating can only be turned into orders by Tesla, because it’s the only company with the production capacity and maturity to profit right now from this rising tide.

It is great to be the only one that can deliver in volume when the competition starts a media campaign. Tesla (investors) must thank VW for this present. Other automakers in the top half of the EV market — Renault, Nissan, Peugeot, Hyundai, and Kia — should also thank VW for the long-term benefit, for the extra demand and interest they get from VW’s public push.

Editor’s note: One thing I found interesting from the Q&A after the presentation was that journalists repeatedly referenced Tesla without saying “Tesla” — but everyone knew what company was being referenced. Something I learned long ago in a sociology class was that unspoken shared assumptions are often the most powerful — they are so clear that no one has to speak them. It is clear that Tesla is setting the high bar for this competition. And not only were the questioners clearly referencing Tesla — many of the highlights of VW’s presentation were essentially VW’s copies of what Tesla had done, what Tesla had shown consumers like and want.

This is, honestly, not a knock on VW. To the contrary, I think it’s very big of VW and a sign of strong long-term vision that the gigantic company swallowed its pride and rolled into its doors and policies numerous lessons it learned from Tesla. Sure, it threw some shade here or there to try to place its evolution a foot above Tesla’s. Perhaps that fooled some people, while it surely didn’t fool others, but much more important than that is that the company has studied Tesla and is trying to be flexible, innovate, and evolve quickly in order to try to maintain its position on top of the world’s auto market (in terms of sales). The journalists recognized the similarities, felt confident getting up and asking questions about other puzzle pieces that were lacking or didn’t match Tesla’s example, and Mr. Stackmann politely and graciously answered the questions to — I think — honestly explain where the company thought it was smart to copy Tesla and where the company thought it was smart to do something else — without mentioning “Tesla.”

In the end, we’ll see how the automaker’s approach serves the German giant. We’ll also see if the departures from Tesla’s path are smart or are strategic mistakes. To me, though, VW’s new focus is long-delayed (very long-delayed) leadership, the kind of honest leadership that does not pretend to invent the wheel but instead learns from prior leaders. And the good news, as Maarten insightfully shows us, is that it will push less thoughtful, less humble, less ambitious, less in-need-of-a-brand-revival fossil automakers to follow the growing excitement down electric avenue.

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Maarten Vinkhuyzen Grumpy old man. The best thing I did with my life was raising two kids. Only finished primary education, but when you don’t go to school, you have lots of time to read. I switched from accounting to software development and ended my career as system integrator and architect. My 2007 boss got two electric Lotus Elise cars to show policymakers the future direction of energy and transportation. And I have been looking to replace my diesel cars with electric vehicles ever since.

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