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17.06.19
Election of the Board of Directors of JSC ''AVTOVAZ''

The Annual General Shareholder Meeting of JSC “AVTOVAZ” was held on 14 June 2019. The meeting agenda included consideration of various matters and approval of a new composition of the Company’s Board of Directors.
Nicolas Maure, SVP, Chairman of Eurasia Region, Groupe Renault, was elected Chairman of the Board of Directors of JSC “AVTOVAZ”. Sergey Skvortsov was elected Vice-Chairman of the Board of Directors.
The following persons left the board: Thierry Bolloré, Jérôme Olive and Dmitri Kurdyukov. They were replaced by the following persons elected to the Board of Directors for the first time:
Olivier Murguet, Groupe Renault Executive Vice President, Sales & Regions;
Jérôme Moinard, Alliance VP Manufacturing, Process Engineering & Supply Chain for Eurasia;
Nikolay Teskhomskiy, First Deputy Chairman, Vnesheconombank.
The current composition of AVTOVAZ Board of Directors is following:
Nicolas Maure, Chairman of the Board of Directors, Senior Vice President, Chairman of Eurasia Region, Groupe Renault
Sergey Skvortsov, Vice-Chairman of the Board of Directors, Executive Chairman, RT Invest
Bruno Ancelin, independent, former Groupe Renault Executive Vice President
Vladimir Avetissian – Deputy Chairman of Executive Board, UK`ROSNANO’
Yves Caracatzanis, President and CEO of AVTOVAZ
Gaspar Gascon Abellan – Deputy Alliance Executive Vice President, Engineering
Philippe Jeol, VP, Partnerships and Governance Eurasia Region, Groupe Renault
Sergey Kogogin – General Director, PJSC ''KAMAZ''
Olivier Murguet, Executive Vice President, Sales & Regions, Groupe Renault
Jérôme Moinard, Alliance regional Senior Vice President, Manufacturing, Production Engineering and Supply Chain
Thierry Piéton –Senior Vice President, Performance and Control, Groupe Renault
Nikolay Tsekhomskiy, First Deputy Chairman, Vnesheconombank
Eduard Vaino – Vice President for Government and Shareholders Relations, AVTOVAZ
Igor Zavyalov – Deputy General Director for Finance, State Corporation Rostec
Sergei Zaytsev – Chairman of Primary Trade Union Organization, AVTOVAZ.
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Tesla On Track To Nail Its 2014 Forecast For 2020 Production & Sales

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June 16th, 2019 by Zachary Shahan

Preface: I first published this article in March 2018. A recent tweet highlighting a 2014 interview with Elon Musk reminded me of it, and since the piece is as relevant today as ever, I’m reposting it below with only minor changes. Enjoy!

I think it was April 2013 when we first got word that Tesla Model 3 production would probably start in 2017. Well, we didn’t have a name for the car yet, so we called it “Tesla’s fourth production model.” Tesla CEO Elon Musk was apparently hoping for a 2016 release, but quietly knew and told himself 2017 was more likely. His exact response to some questioning from Engadget on the matter: “Hopefully 2016, but I would say no later than 2017.”

In August 2013, we found out the name was probably going to be Tesla Model E. Tesla tried to trademark that name to have some fun with the spelling of its eventual vehicle lineup (S-E-X-Y). However, Ford apparently had the trademark “Model E” and didn’t want to give it to Tesla, so Tesla later changed the name to Tesla Model ☰ (aka Tesla Model 3).

What’s interesting to me here is that the statement the car would be in production by 2017 was accurate even though that was long before the car was even named Model 3.

Furthermore, for all the hype of the Model 3 being delayed, look, production actually began on the Model 3 within the timeframe Elon estimated way back in 2013.

I think the 2017 estimate was mentioned by Elon again in the following year, but I’m not finding any reference to that in our archives.

In late November 2014, I polled our readers about the 2017 production target for the Tesla Model 3. The target at that time didn’t include any forecast for the number of cars produced — just that production on the Model 3 would start by the end of 2017. The majority (62.5%) of our Tesla enthusiast/fanboy readership responded that they didn’t think the Model 3 would arrive in 2017. (Note, in case you missed it: the Model 3 did arrive in 2017.)

By the way, in October or early November 2014, Jerome Guillen (then Tesla’s “Chief Designer,” then head of the Tesla Semi project, and now Tesla President of Automotive) stated that Tesla was aiming to produce 500,000 cars/year by 2020. Presumably, if people thought the Model 3 wouldn’t arrive on time, they also thought the 500,000 cars/year by 2020 goal was unrealistic, but we didn’t poll that. Tesla later moved up the 500,000 by 2020 goal to a goal of 500,000/year by 2018 (in response to massive consumer demand for the Model 3). Even though this stretch goal wasn’t achieved, the 500,000 cars/year by 2020 goal still seems like a good possibility.

As a side note: We heard rumor in June 2015 that the Model 3 would actually have a range of 250 miles per charge, not simply the promised 200 miles. That was a big rumor, and we weren’t sure whether to get excited or be skeptical. As it turns out, the base Model 3’s EPA-rated range is 220 miles, the most popular trim, model 3 Standard Range Plus, has a range of 240 miles, and the Model 3 Long Range has 310 miles of range.

In August 2015, these were some of my notes from a Tesla quarterly shareholder report:

The Model 3 design will be revealed in the first quarter of 2016. (Woohoo!)
First deliveries are still expected in late 2017.
Basically, the 3 is still on schedule, but there’s not much more to say at this point.
Tesla thinks it is still on track for 500,000 cars a year by 2020, and that it might even go beyond that. 500,000 is based on Fremont factory production capacity, but Tesla may localize production in some places in 3–5 years. (Update: We now have the Chinese Tesla Gigafactory rapidly moving toward completion.)

Again — first deliveries did occur in 2017. Actually, first deliveries came in the middle of 2017, not the end of 2017. However, it’s true that first deliveries to non-staff customers came in late 2017.

Now, I would also note here that Elon never claimed mass production would begin right off the bat. Anyone familiar with ramping up production of a new vehicle would know that’s not how it would happen. Taking that into account, start of production in the middle of 2017 and slowly ramping that up (with hiccups) through the end of 2017 and beginning of 2018 was actually ahead of the schedule we presumed back in 2015.

And, again, if you look at our 2014 poll, even bullish Tesla fans largely didn’t expect Tesla to get the Model 3 into production in 2017. (Context, Sherlock, context.)

I’ve got another “by the way” note for you. In late 2015, Elon stated: “And with the (Tesla) Model 3 and various iterations on that platform, I’m really confident that we can do, you know, another 300,000 or 400,000 cars per year.” That implies that Elon thought annual demand and production of the Model 3 and Model Y (at least) would total 300,000–400,000 units per year (combined).

Mr. Musk’s 2016 view on that topic was that he expected demand for the Model 3 and Model Y to be approximately 500,000–1,000,000 units a year each — which implies 1–2 million units a year combined. I haven’t seem him change course on that general expectation.

In other words, Elon’s 2015 timeline for the Model 3 turned out to be essentially accurate but he was drastically underestimating demand compared to today’s expectations. (Sound familiar?)

When did the mid-2017 start of production target first come into play? On May 4, 2016, Elon hesitantly shared the accelerated target. You could tell before he said it that he didn’t really want to share the dates, but my guess is he figured the word would get out anyway (or he was just trying too hard to explain how the tofu is made). He unveiled that the official Tesla target for start of production was July 1, 2017, but he emphasized that the target was for suppliers just to try to get them to deliver in a reasonable time frame. The realistic target for actual beginning of production remained late in 2017.

As it turned out, in the beginning of 2017, everything seemed to actually be on schedule for start of production in July 2017. It was shocking. Most people didn’t believe it. Hardcore critics still claimed Model 3 production wouldn’t start until 2019 or 2020 or something like that.

No, volume production didn’t start in the summer or ’17, but production of the Model 3 did indeed start. By that time, of course, many a skeptic, “very serious analysts,” and naysayers dropped their claims of Tesla being unable to produce the Model 3. They stopped stating with 100% certainty that it would be years before the Model 3 went into production, if it ever did. They dropped their claims that there was no way Tesla would hit its targeted “end of 2017” start of production. Nope, the goal posts had moved.

And in the second half of 2017, it finally happened. Tesla finally fell behind on some of its stated production targets for the Model 3. Bottlenecks with battery production in particular — which Elon Musk admitted was ironic and presumably due to misplaced complacency — slowed down Tesla’s Model 3 production ramp. Perhaps other bottlenecks are at play as well, but we haven’t really heard of anything else. Anyhow, with even one critical machine down and one piece of the car coming out slower than planned, Tesla missed a few Model 3 production forecasts. It’s not fun. It’s yet another sign that Tesla and Elon do not defy the laws of this universe and are indeed fallible. But it’s also a bit extreme, short-sighted, and disingenuous to act like Tesla is always late, only late, and needs to find a working watch.

In fact, the bottlenecks in the second half of 2017 didn’t stop Tesla from reaching Model 3 production in 2017, as it had targeted back in 2013 or even earlier. The bottlenecks slowed down the production increases Tesla was aiming to achieve, but they’ve more or less left Tesla where it was expecting to be when it was forecasting the story back in 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016.

Elon gets slammed quite frequently for being overly optimistic with timelines. If you look at what he said back in 2013 about Model 3 production beginning no later than 2017, the man was accurate. His estimate was on the mark. His timeline (not quite his hopes, but his committed timeline) was right on the mark.

Who trusted his timeline? Who expected he would actually get the Model 3 into production in 2017? Not many people. And certainly not the people who said Tesla would crash in burn in 2013, in 2014, in 2015, in 2016, and yet again in 2017.

When considering who is more accurate with timelines, perhaps it’s time to give Elon a little more props and a little less sass.

As a final note, remember, many critics also repeatedly said the Tesla Model X couldn’t be mass produced. Some “very serious industry analysts” claimed it was fundamentally impossible. But that’s a story for another day.

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Zachary Shahan Zach is tryin' to help society help itself (and other species). He spends most of his time here on CleanTechnica as its director and chief editor. He's also the president of Important Media and the director/founder of EV Obsession and Solar Love. Zach is recognized globally as an electric vehicle, solar energy, and energy storage expert. He has presented about cleantech at conferences in India, the UAE, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, the USA, and Canada.

Zach has long-term investments in TSLA, FSLR, SPWR, SEDG, & ABB — after years of covering solar and EVs, he simply has a lot of faith in these particular companies and feels like they are good cleantech companies to invest in. But he offers no professional investment advice and would rather not be responsible for you losing money, so don't jump to conclusions.

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Deliveries are set to commence in September: The new CLA Shooting Brake can now be ordered

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June 2019

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Combined fuel consumption: 5.8‑5.5 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions: 132-125 g/km*Stuttgart. With its proportions the new Mercedes-Benz CLA Shooting Brake sparks emotions: a long bonnet, compact greenhouse with coupé-like windowlines, muscular shoulders over the rear wheel arch and a supplely crouched rear, which clearly shows its sports car genes. Prices begin at 32,213.30 euros[1] for the CLA 180 rated at 100 kW (136 hp), 200 Nm and with a six-speed manual transmission (combined fuel consumption: 5.8‑5.5 l/100 km; combined CO2 emissions: 132-125 g/km)[2]. Deliveries will commence in September 2019.
Attractive, intelligent – and practical: the new Mercedes-Benz CLA will also be available as a Shooting Brake from September. The design shows a sense of elegant athleticism: from the striking “shark nose” at the front and the uncluttered sides with accented surfaces, through to the gently muscular rear end. The latter on the CLA Shooting Brake ensures a decisive addition in terms of functionality.
The designer piece provides space for spontaneity, be it on an extended shopping spree or for sports and outdoor activities. At 871 millimetres, the boot opening is significantly wider than in the previous model (635 mm). In addition, the tailgate can also be opened contactlessly thanks to EASY-PACK and HANDS-FREE ACCESS (both part of the KEYLESS-GO Convenience package for 892.50 euros).
Prices for the new Mercedes-Benz CLA Shooting Brake:
CLA 180
CLA 200
CLA 220
CLA 250 (4MATIC)
Transmission
6-speed
7G-DCT
7G-DCT
7G-DCT
Displacement (cc)
1332
1332
1991
1991
Output (kW/hp)
100/136
120/163
140/190
165/224
at rpm
5500*
5500*
5500-6100
5500
Max. torque (Nm)
200
250
300
350
at rpm
1460-4000
1620-4000
1600-4000
1800-4000
Combined fuel consumption
(l/100 km)2
5.8-5.5
5.7-5.4
6.4-6.2
6.4-6.2
(6.8-6.6)
Combined CO2 emissions
(g/km)2
132-125
131-124
146-142
146-142
(156-151)
Acceleration 0-100 km/h (s)
9.6
8.4
7.1
6.4 (6.4)
Top speed (km/h)
215
226
240
250 (250)
Price from (euros)1
32,213.30
34,325.55
37,877.70
40,245.80 (42,447.30)
*+/- 1.5%
CLA 180 d
CLA 200 d
CLA 220 d
Transmission
7G-DCT
8G-DCT
8G-DCT
Displacement (cc)
1461
1950
1950
Output (kW/hp)
85/116
110/150
140/190
at rpm
4000
3400-4400
3800
Max. torque (Nm)
260
320
400
at rpm
1750-2500
1400-3200
1600-2600
Combined fuel consumption
(l/100 km)2
4.1-3.9
4.5-4.2
4.5-4.4
Combined CO2 emissions (g/km)2
109-104
118-111
119-115
Acceleration 0-100 km/h (s)
11.0
8.4
7.2
Top speed (km/h)
203
221
237
Price from (euros)1
34,623.05
36,289.05
41,168.05
Individualisation of the CLA Shooting Brake begins with the Progressive design and equipment line (1755.25 euros). This includes 18-inch light-alloy wheels, a leather-finished multifunction sports steering wheel and comfort seats plus a 40:20:40 split-folding rear seat backrest. Externally the design and equipment line is also distinguishable by the visible exhaust tailpipe trim elements and the discreet chrome trim strip on the front and rear aprons.
A sporty look inside and out comes courtesy of the AMG Line (3510.50 euros) with 18-inch AMG light-alloy wheels, AMG front apron, AMG rear apron and AMG side sill panels, sports seats, multifunction sports steering wheel in nappa leather and light longitundinal-grain aluminium trim elements. The AMG Line also has the lowered comfort suspension and Direct Steer with a variable steering ratio.
Especially exclusive: the Edition 1
In its first year, all the engine variants of the new CLA Shooting Brake will also be available as Edition 1 versions. This limited edition is based on the AMG line. Numerous visual highlights on both the exterior and interior emphasise its exclusivity. The Edition 1 costs 6902 euros more than the base version. It includes LED High Performance headlamps, AMG light-alloy wheels measuring 19 inches in diameter and with an orange-painted rim flange. Also included is the Night package with a host of high-gloss black-painted trim elements, underscored in the Edition 1 variant with orange-coloured highlights.
In the interior the Edition 1 has orange-coloured contrasting topstitching on the dashboard, sports seats, armrests, door panel beltlines and floor matsFitted as standard are sports seats, ambient lighting with 64 colours plus trim elements with “Edition 1” lettering.
All-round support: three driving assistance systems in the CLA Shooting Brake
The new CLA Shooting Brake features modern driving assistance systems with cooperative driver support. For example, standard equipment includes Active Lane Keeping Assist and Active Braking Assist.
The Driving Assistance package (1796.90 euros) is comprehensive and has coordinated functions. It includes the following systems: Active Distance Control DISTRONIC; route-based speed adjustment; Active Steering Assist; Active Speed Limit Assist; Active Braking Assist with Cross-Traffic Function; Evasive Steering Assist; Active Lane Changing Assist; Active Emergency Stop Assist; Active Blind Spot Assist; PRE-SAFE® PLUS.
For the first time, the CLA Shooting Brake is able to drive semi-autonomously in certain driving situations. Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC (714 euros) and Active Steering Assist (part of the Driving Assistance package) support the driver even more comfortably in maintaining the distance to other vehicles and in steering; the speed can now also be automatically adjusted for corners, junctions or roundabouts.
Apart from the PRE-SAFE® functions included in the Driving Assistance package, the PRE-SAFE® System (392.70 euros) is also available separately. The PRE‑SAFE® System uses the time before an impending accident and can initiate a number of measures to reduce the burden that occurs during an accident. These also include the innovative PRE-SAFE® Sound system. This prepares the human hearing for the expected noise of an impact when there is a risk of a collision and can thus reduce noise strain caused by an accident.
Other interesting options:
ENERGIZING package 1666 euros ENERGIZING package Plus 2975 euros LED High Performance headlamps 70 euros Head-up display 10 euros Parking package with 360° camera 60 euros [1] All prices shown in this press information: Recommended retail price in Germany, incl. 19% VAT
[2] The stated figures were determined in accordance with the prescribed measuring method. These are the “NEDC CO2 figures” according to Article 2 No. 1 Implementing Regulation (EU) 2017/1153. The fuel consumption figures were calculated based on these figures. More information about the vehicles on offer, including the WLTP values, can be found for each country at www.mercedes-benz.com

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Bob Lutz: Improved Tesla Panel Gaps Are Now “World Class”

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Published on June 16th, 2019 |

by Dr. Maximilian Holland

Bob Lutz: Improved Tesla Panel Gaps Are Now “World Class”

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June 16th, 2019 by Dr. Maximilian Holland

Renowned Tesla bear Bob Lutz has recently sung praises of the build quality of Tesla’s vehicles, saying of a Model 3 that he inspected, “not only was the paint without any discernible flaw, but the various panels formed a body of precision that was beyond reproach.”

This is a significant high note from Lutz, who has been singing of Tesla’s imminent downfall for years. Now a retired veteran of the auto industry, Lutz’s views on the world’s largest EV producer have been mixed, at best.

Recall that, back in the July 2006, Tesla revealed the world’s first compelling long-range EV, the Roadster. Then, in August 2006, Elon Musk “leaked” the secret Tesla Motors master plan, announcing their intended product roadmap of increasingly affordable EVs.

Lutz later famously credited Tesla’s Roadster and early EV plans (along with the early success of the Prius) as inspiring GM to work on the Chevrolet Volt (watch Chris Payne’s Revenge of the Electric Car for more early history). Lutz has also said of Tesla, and its pioneering work in EVs, that he will “always owe them a debt of gratitude for having kind of broken the ice.” Lutz evidently recognizes the role Tesla played early on, in creating the EV renaissance and inspiring others to work on their own EVs.

Lutz has frequently praised Tesla’s vehicles themselves, saying of the Tesla Model S: “A Model S, especially with the performance upgrades, is one of the fastest, best handling, best braking sedans that you could buy in the world today. … The acceleration times will beat any $350,000 European exotic.”

However, Lutz has often expressed doubts about Tesla’s business model and lack of focus on profitability. There are many examples of Lutz’s Tesla bashing, but this one gives the general flavour: “Tesla’s business model is upside down. … Their costs have always been higher than their revenue. … They always have to get more capital, then they burn through it.” We have several times covered the shade that Lutz has thrown Tesla’s way over recent years — if you want more examples, our full archives are here. Charles Morris also has an excellent article charting many of Lutz’s various statements on Tesla and Elon Musk, if you want a deep dive.

My own take on Lutz’s misunderstanding of Tesla’s investment-for-growth-before-profit strategy is fairly simple. Lutz himself was always a career man working for existing, well-established automakers which were well beyond their early growth phase, and likely never understood the culture of an innovative startup looking to disrupt the status quo. He probably didn’t grasp Tesla’s deliberate focus on continuous investment in (extraordinarily) high growth, not quarterly profits per se. This is conscious business strategy on Tesla’s part, and one that Elon Musk re-iterated in the recent 2019 Tesla Annual Shareholder Meeting.

In fairness to Lutz, given his own career, he could scarcely hope to understand this. Since retiring from his fairly conventional management roles, Lutz has only been involved with two small startup auto businesses (VIA Motors and VLF Automotive). It seems neither got beyond showing rough concepts and have now both seemingly either failed or gone into suspended animation. In short, Lutz has never been involved with a successful startup. He is not an entrepreneur.

Bob Lutz. Image credit: Ed Schipul/ [CC BY-SA 2.0] via Wikimedia Commons

The wind has now changed once more and we find Lutz singing the praises of Tesla’s vehicles again. In a recent Road and Track article, Lutz writes, “When I spied a metallic-red Model 3 in an Ann Arbor parking lot, I felt compelled to check it out.” Lutz was expecting to see evidence of the Tesla Model 3’s “production hell” writ large, in uneven panel gaps and imperfections in the paint work.

To his great surprise, Lutz found something completely different:

“But, when next to the car, I was stunned. Not only was the paint without any discernible flaw, but the various panels formed a body of precision that was beyond reproach. Gaps from hood to fenders, doors to frame, and all the others appeared to be perfectly even, equal side-to-side, and completely parallel. Gaps of 3.5 to 4.5mm are considered word-class. This Model 3 measured up.”

In case anyone is concerned that Lutz may have been abducted and replaced with an avatar, don’t sweat it:

“So, while I continue to be critical of Tesla’s business model and Musk’s strategy, it was impossible to find fault with the visual quality of that Model 3.”

Thanks Bob, good to know some things never change. 😉

Editor’s note: As much as I’ve enjoyed laughing at Bob Lutz’s comments about Tesla over the years, I think he deserves huge props for having a fairly open mind and so publicly praising Tesla after putting so much pessimism out there about the company’s ability to succeed or to even produce some of its vehicles (Model S, Model X, Model 3). Thank + kudos to Bob for not being a tribal Tesla troll.

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Dr. Maximilian Holland Max is an anthropologist, social theorist and international political economist, trying to ask questions and encourage critical thinking about social and environmental justice, sustainability and the human condition. He has lived and worked in Europe and Asia, and is currently based in Barcelona.

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Breaking! Tesla Now Offers Used Model 3’s — Should You Buy One?

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by Paul Fosse

Breaking! Tesla Now Offers Used Model 3’s — Should You Buy One?

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June 15th, 2019 by Paul Fosse

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TL;DR: It depends.

If you ever take a management class in college, that is the answer to every essay question on the test. The instructor expects you to justify the reasons for the different cases. Maybe that is where I learned to be able to argue any side of any issue. Or maybe it was my involvement in politics. Regardless, the used Model 3’s are either a great deal or a horrible one and I will present both cases and they are both potentially true. I depends on your situation.

First, though, I’d like to give my Twitter friend, Steve Jobs (@tesla_truth), credit for letting me know these cars are now available.

I wasn’t able to find used Model 3’s anywhere but in San Francisco, but over time, they should show up around the country. If you really want one, you can have it shipped to you for $2,000 if you are outside of California, but I wouldn’t recommend it. You wouldn’t be able to inspect the car and it just makes the deal more complicated and expensive.

Example Used Vehicle

This early Model 3 has the classic Long Range Rear Wheel Drive that all the first cars came with, and also has the optional 19″ sport wheels and red paint.

Comparable New 3

You can’t order the same car new online today. You can just order the Long Range with All Wheel Drive and Autopilot. Don’t worry, I’ll adjust for that and discuss later.

Comparison

So, first, the case for the used Model 3.

If this is your dream configuration, it allows you to get the car you want for more than $10,000 less than a new Model 3 — that could be a couple hundred bucks a month and the difference between the car being affordable or being out of reach!

Clearly, you have to like the configuration, because if you start changing the wheels or color, you are going to just be spending extra money that you won’t get back. If you can’t find a configuration you love, it is better to buy new. So, if you love the red, long-range, rear-wheel-drive Model 3 with sport wheels, this might be a good deal for you. It would be a good choice for people who have the money to buy the car, but don’t have enough taxable to take the tax credit on the new car. [Editor’s note: This car is now actually gone, with all used Model 3 options now blue.]

For people who love driving the Model 3 (and it is EXTREMELY fun to drive) and don’t care about Autopilot (which I also love for longer trips), why pay for it? The warranty Tesla is offering on used cars is very good and overlaps with the new warranty. This means, in our example, if you bought the car on June 17, 2019, it would cover bumper to bumper till June 16, 2023 or until 78,201 miles on the odometer, whichever comes first. The battery and drive warranty is only 5 years and 92,000 miles from today, but frankly, there have been no reported problems with either of those (and you can bet any problems would be highly publicized by those who want Tesla to fail), so I’m not too worried about them. If you are keeping the car for a while, you don’t care too much about the miles on the car, since over time the condition of the car matters more than the miles.

Now, how about the case against the used car?

The first downside is that only people in California can consider this and really save any money. Another is that you may not like the configuration — you would rather spend your money on Autopilot instead of the red paint and sport wheels, for example.

Most people can use the tax credit and enjoy having the car from day one. There is a special bond many people feel when they buy a car new, to some degree or another (my wife feels this bond quite strongly, I don’t feel it as strongly).

If you are going to resell the car in a few years (possibly to buy a Model Y), I think getting the new one might be better since you will have fewer miles on it and it will be a one-owner trade-in, which may be better. I played around with Kelley Blue Book’s What’s My Car Worth site, and it appears that 15 cents a mile is a pretty good assumption for how much you will be docked for extra miles, but I didn’t adjust for it being one model year older — it seems that would be worth about $3,000 if you trade it in soon (if you keep the car 10 years, nobody cares if it is a 2018 or 2019).

For many, they would prefer to give up a little range and a few other minor features and go with the Standard Range or the Standard Range Plus rather than going used if they have trouble affording the Long Range car.

Conclusion
As I said, I tried to present a compelling case for buying the used vehicle and also a compelling case for why the new vehicle could be a much better deal. I think it is a great option for those who are looking for that specific vehicle and plan to keep it long enough that the miles and model year don’t matter. Which situation resonates with you? Let me know in the comments if you thought I was fair in my comparison.

If you want to take advantage of my Tesla referral link to get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging on a Tesla Model S, Model X, or Model 3, here’s the link: https://ts.la/paul92237 (but if someone else helped you more, please use their code instead of mine).

About the Author

Paul Fosse A Software engineer for over 30 years, first developing EDI software, then developing data warehouse systems. Along the way, I've also had the chance to help start a software consulting firm and do portfolio management. In 2010, I took an interest in electric cars because gas was getting expensive. In 2015, I started reading CleanTechnica and took an interest in solar, mainly because it was a threat to my oil and gas investments. Follow me on Twitter @atj721 Tesla investor. Tesla referral code: https://ts.la/paul92237

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