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The Porsche Taycan—since way back in its early 2015 Mission E Concept days—has been discussed by Porsche in two distinct ways.

On one hand it’s a Tesla rival, capable of meeting higher standards of performance than the Model S or Model 3. And on the other hand it’s at the lead of a big part of Porsche’s future, as it sees all (or nearly all) of its cars eventually becoming electric.

At the center of Porsche’s intent to one-up Tesla—outside of the Nürburgring bragging rights that might not matter to many Tesla fans—has been its 800-volt electrical architecture, and the faster 350-kw CCS-format charging that it allows without added bulk. Porsche Turbo Charging, as it’s been called along the way, allows an 80-percent charge in as little as 15 minutes, and the capability will be included in all Taycan production models.

DON’T MISS: Porsche Mission E to be called Porsche Taycan

Up until now Turbo Charging seemed like a healthy jab at Tesla and its Supercharger network, and a term that would be smart to place all over charging hardware and marketing materials while the advantage is theirs. However, it may never become a true shot at the bow.

Porsche is big on heritage and continuity, and a hint on model positioning for the production 2020 Porsche Taycan suggests that on the way to the future, the sports-car maker may not be willing to give up all of its internal-combustion past—perhaps especially its “Turbo” badge.

In correspondence from a “Porsche Global Brand Ambassador” at the automaker, The Drive’s Alex Roy was informed of initial pricing from the low $90,000 range up to over $130,000 (in line with what has previously been said). But what accompanied that was that there will be three models, Taycan, Taycan 4S, and Taycan Turbo.

Although this is a single correspondence, and the person who wrote the e-mail might have accidentally included Taycan Turbo—a “legacy automaker” stumble like the oil-change notices that were widespread for early Nissan Leaf owners—it’s crafted in a way that doesn’t leave a lot of room for that confusion.

CHECK OUT: Audi e-tron GT electric sports car is its take on Porsche Taycan

Porsche executives have said previously that the Taycan (Mission E) would borrow some pieces of existing Porsche model nomenclature. However, the term Turbo was not one we expected to see. When contacted by our colleagues at Motor Authority, Porsche Cars North America confirmed that no official pricing or information has been announced.

Porsche Mission E concept, 2015 Frankfurt Auto Show

As of earlier in the year, Porsche said that it was still working on how to present its high-power charging technology for North America. With one each at its 189 U.S. dealerships, several at each of its Experience Centers (LA and Atlanta), and a few more 350-kw CCS stations through Electrify America and EVgo, it’s likely that there will be more than 200 stations capable of charging the Taycan at its peak rate around the time the vehicle is launched.

READ MORE: Porsche already has a prototype that will charge faster than its 350-kw Taycan

Porsche currently has a number of models that are turbocharged yet don’t bear the Turbo badge, so it’s already using the badge to denote top-performance versions rather than everything that uses exhaust-fed forced induction.

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Tesla Model 3 headlights, Porsche Taycan Turbo, expiring tax credits: Today’s Car News

Porsche may be planning electric “Turbos.” Expiring electric-car tax credits hit U.S. automakers and benefit imports in contrast to Trump policies. And our Twitter followers are not optimistic about climate talks. All this and more on Green Car Reports. After Tesla updated the headlights on the Model 3, the IIHS retested them and gave the new…

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Tesla Model 3 Performance Price = 50% of BMW M3 Price in China

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December 18th, 2018 by Zachary Shahan

If the BMW 3 Series seems to be in trouble in the US due to the Tesla Model 3, it appears it might have a much bigger problem in China. The Tesla Model 3 Long Range is already at the top of the price range of a BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class, and lower-trim options should eventually arrive to compete with those models’ lower-trim options.

Additionally, at the highest end, the Tesla Model 3 Performance crushes the prices of the BMW M3 and Mercedes-Benz AMG C 63 — as in, it’s approximately half the price of those premium-class competitors.

Don’t let the prices fool you, though — the Tesla Model 3 offers superior performance. As our friend Vincent, who shared all of this info with us, points out, the Tesla Model 3 Performance is even quicker than the BMW M4.

As Vincent shares, the prices of midsize luxury sedans in China (in USD) are as follows:

Audi A4 — $43,000–60,000
BMW 3 Series — $42,000–72,000
Mercedes-Benz C-Class — $46,000–72,000
Tesla Model 3 Long Range — $72,000

As far as the performance versions, you get:

BMW M3 — $162,000
BMW M4 — $184,000
Mercedes-Benz AMG C 63 — $173,623
Tesla Model 3 Performance — $81,160

Here are the original tweets about these comparisons:

In addition to those comparisons, Vincent highlighted that prices for the Tesla Model S and Model X dropped notably in the past week:

Taking into account huge fuel and operational savings from driving a Tesla Model 3 rather than a BMW or a Mercedes, as well as the many extra benefits of an electric car and especially a Tesla, I have to agree with Vincent’s comment that “I can’t find a reason to buy BMW … sorry, just can’t.” However, same goes for Mercedes, Audi, etc.

Expect a good first quarter for Tesla in China.

If you’re looking to buy a Tesla, appreciate my work, and need a referral code, here you go: http://ts.la/tomasz7234

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Volkswagen sold 5.7 million vehicles between January and November 2018

SUV in small format: the new T-Cross

Electric offensive: ID.1, ID. VIZZION1 and ID. R Pikes Peak provided important impetus on the threshold of a new epoch
SUV offensive: With nine new models, Volkswagen has expanded its efficient SUV fleet more than ever before
More 2018 news: the up! GTI2 makes for fun in Europe, Jetta3 No. 7 launched in the USA, and the new Virtus3 is inspiring South America

WOLFSBURG, 27-Dec-2019 — /EuropaWire/ — Volkswagen has set an important course for the future in 2018: As the first model of the future ID. family, the zero-emission compact ID. has reached the final phase of series development. In addition, with the avant-garde ID. VIZZION saloon and the racing car ID. R Pikes Peak, Volkswagen demonstrated two more fascinating facets of electric mobility. SUVs are booming worldwide: Volkswagen followed this trend in 2018 with nine new Sport Utility Vehicles (SUV) – from the urban T-Cross4 to the Touareg brand flagship. Various models of different segments like the new Virtus (South America), the attractive up! GTI (Europe) or the Jetta (North America), however, made it clear that Volkswagen serves every region of the world with specific cars. This has resulted in great success: Between January and November, unit sales rose by around 280,000 year-on-year to 5.7 million Volkswagen vehicles.

Electric offensive: In March, with the ID. VIZZION, Volkswagen presented a completely automated driving saloon of the future: emission-free, range of up to 665 kilometres, can be operated via voice and gesture control and able to learn thanks to artificial intelligence. A car as a portal to the future. Three months later, with the ID. R Pikes Peak, Volkswagen revealed the purely dynamic side of electric mobility: on 24 June it pulverised the all-time record at the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb – the legendary Race to The Clouds (Colorado/USA). It also overtook all racing cars with combustion engines ever to have started. In December, the first media representatives were able to experience live what the future of production vehicles feels like: they accompanied Volkswagen engineers on board the ID. during test drives in South Africa. The ID. is scheduled to be launched on the market in 2020.

SUV offensive: Charismatic Sport Utility Vehicles enjoy worldwide success. At the same time, Volkswagen further expanded its range of these all-rounders. The third generation of the Volkswagen brand flagship Touareg made its international debut in March with numerous technical highlights. Specially designed for China, Volkswagen also presented the particularly spacious Tharu3 (Chinese compact class), which is tailored to families, and the Tayron3 (Chinese intermediate class), which is positioned above it. The large Teramont3 and an extended and specified version of the T-Roc for the Chinese market also celebrated their debuts in China in 2018. Below the T-Roc, the new T-Cross, the first small-vehicle SUV from Volkswagen to date, was launched on an international scale in November.

As a sister model to the Teramont, the seven-seater Atlas3) is built in the USA. On this basis, Volkswagen presented the new Atlas Cross Sport1 at the New York International Auto Show (March) – a dynamic five-seater with a hybrid drive for the metropolises of North America. The series version is scheduled to be launched on the American market in 2019. The Atlas Tanoak1 – the first pickup to be based on the innovative modular transverse matrix (MQB) – presented at the same time has been part of a trial to date. As the second MQB pickup, the Tarok Concept1 presented at the São Paulo International Motor Show caused a sensation in November.It has a loading area that can be extended into the vehicle interior and is scheduled to be launched on the Brazilian market first in the foreseeable future.

Specialities for the world: With the up! GTI, a sporty vehicle in the original GTI format was launched in 2018. 85 kW/115 PS and low weight provide a lot of driving fun. This means that the GTI family comprising Golf GTI5, Polo GTI6 and up! GTI is now complete. The Jetta, which has been produced 17.5 million times, is one of the most successful compact saloons ever. Volkswagen presented the seventh generation in Detroit this year. It is now based on the MQB and was specially developed for the US market. The new Virtus is even more compact. This MQB saloon is similar to the Polo, is produced in Brazil and was launched there first.

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